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"I'm more powerful outside Government"

India Today issue dated August 07, 2000Number 2 Akbar Road did not resemble the residence of a man who had just lost his job in the Union Cabinet. There were no milling crowds, no droves of supporters chanting, "Tum Sangarsh karo, hum tumhaare saath hai." Just a couple of personal aides were present in the house when the former law minister spoke to Editor Prabhu Chawla and Associate Editor Ashok Damodaran. Excerpts:

Ram JethmalaniQ. Does your resignation signal the end of your fight? Or is it the beginning of another one?
A.
I am not fighting anybody. It is a question of principles. This is not a private matter. I owe it to the people of this country to tell them what happened. My greatest asset is my freedom of speech. As a cabinet minister, it was severely restricted. Outside the Government, I will be even more powerful.

Q. But you have been accused of leaking confidential information.
A.
No confidential documents have been leaked out. People don't know what a confidential document means. It is not something that a bureaucrat wants kept confidential. That way you can keep evidence about corruption in a confidential file and say it cannot be disclosed.

Q. There is an impression that Vajpayee never got along well with you, that you were in the Cabinet because of Home Minister L.K. Advani.
A.
That impression needs to be investigated. As far as I know, I was invited by Vajpayee to join his team.

Q. But the prime minister never called you either before or after your resignation.
A.
I suppose he has been very busy.

Q. You hinted at a conspiracy to get you out of the Cabinet.
A.
All I know is that there were some people who didn't want me in the Cabinet.

SOLI'S DEFENCE

» On the Hinduja Connection: Sorabjee argues he got the Government's nod from the then law minister Kumaramangalam for giving his opinion on a power project. Says it has nothing to do with Bofors.

» On billing the Government: Says law officers are entitled to charge fees for court appearance. He represented the Telecom Department and TRAI and was paid Rs 4.7 lakh. Bill was cleared by Jethmalani.

» On favours to Jayalalitha: Denies his advice was sought on shifting the cases against the AIADMK chief to a more lenient court.

Q. Why?
A.
Take for example the attorney- general. He had gotten used to having a great say in the Law Ministry. You see, my predecessor Thambidurai was a very innocent man. When he was there, the attorney-general used to issue orders to the law secretary to appoint so and so and issue this or that notification. I put an end to that.

Q. Are you saying that the attorney-general was running the Law Ministry?
A.
Absolutely. Distribution of work, of cases, everything he was doing. Even after I came in, he wrote a letter to the law secretary asking, 'How is your ministry being run like Alice in Wonderland?'. And that very day the letter is leaked to the press. And in that letter he wrote about 11 government appeals that were dismissed because the counsels delayed their responses.

Q. So why did he do it after you took over?
A.
It was obvious. Without having the kind of power he once wielded, he was feeling uncomfortable.

Q. Now you've quit. Does not it amount to surrender?
A.
Well, there are others. My successor (Arun Jaitley) is a bright young man. He will take care of them.

Q. Do you feel victimised or see yourself as a martyr?
A.
Neither. I am happy that the prime minister has respect for my integrity. But I have a sense of sadness. I would have been able to accomplish quite a lot as a minister. I have the vanity to think that my resignation is a loss to the Government and the nation.

Q. You think you have been let down by the prime minister?
A.
To some extent, the prime minister was a disappointment. In the past two years, I hardly had an hour with him to discuss important issues. The last time I met him was on July 14 to discuss problems of my ministry. Instead we ended up talking about the Shiv Sena.

Q. Sorabjee says you are a victim of your impetuousness.
A.
I speak the truth. Those who habitually compromise on truth may find it intemperate behaviour or impetuousness.

Q. Any regrets? Are you angry with Vajpayee?
A.
None at all. I know he is wearing a crown of thorns. I don't want to add one more thorn on his crown.

     

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